409).Wednesday, 10 August 2011 01:03 AM - |
SUMO SIZE BBQ - R9 Home v Williamstown Sunday 14th
Big BBQ after the Footy, Cancer Council Raffle, Brunny Sumo Challenge
The Booth License end when the sports events end, so that it doesn't end at the end of the Masters, we will have a Sumo Circle for a challenge or two so the sport continues.
Over47s start at 11am - be early
Masters start at 12:45 - be there by noon
Wilba:- Not sure how Greg Walker is Ming as he did his hammy last game. We really need to get 4 of those maybe's to play or Willy will do some damage. Lets get to work on encouraging those missing to try and get to the game.
Wednesday, 10 August 2011 10:10 PM - IP: 220.127.116.11
chook:- I don't think Stuart is playing he told Mr he was going overseas
Thursday, 11 August 2011 09:54 AM - Host: pa49-197-132-170.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au
Stuey:- That's right, I'll be a no-show for the last game, I'm off overseas for a month on Saturday. Good luck against Willi, and thanks for a fun season in 2011.
Friday, 12 August 2011 02:05 AM - Host: CPE-144-137-2-132.vic.bigpond.net.au
408).Sunday, 7 August 2011 04:56 PM - |
chook - Liv and i went to the carnival training it was great.The atmosphere was buzzing,met heaps of guys and the skill level was pretty good.I highly recommend it if your thinking about it.cheers
It's bigger than Ben Hur:- Over35s, 40s, and 45s in one half, 50s (2 teams) and 55s in the other.
Kanna, Jamie and Ming are definitely going to Maroochydore
Why are there more old guys? Because everyone has so much fun they keep coming back.
Tuesday, 9 August 2011 12:02 AM - Host: 123-243-102-148.static.tpgi.com.au
407).Friday, 5 August 2011 01:03 AM - |
Stuey - IF IT WAS PLAYING FOR POINTS - I did a tally of the results for the season so far. If it was 4 points for a win, then the ladder would be exactly the same as it is with points for and against. Brunswick at no. 4 on the ladder, following Beaconsfield, Williamstown and Essendon in that order. Anyway, thought it may be of interest.
ADAM:- Thanks Stu. That percentage stuff is rubbish.This is all they should use.
Ladder suggests Beaconsfield are playing in the wrong backyard.
Wednesday, 10 August 2011 02:23 PM - Host: 124-168-113-99.dyn.iinet.net.au
406).Wednesday, 3 August 2011 08:47 PM - |
chook - hey Liv my number is 0418549055 hey guys might give training a go on sunday im picking Liv up any one else interested? cheers
Will:- I won't train yet Chook as I want to make sure I don't pull anything before the last game against Willy. After that I will be going most Sunday's.
Thursday, 4 August 2011 09:44 AM - Host: d110-33-174-53.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au
Will:- Do you ever wonder how many of our players actually read the Mud????
Thursday, 4 August 2011 09:45 AM - Host: d110-33-174-53.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au
Ming:- I'm not certain, maybe I'will put a tracker on it, but it will only give me their ip numbers, not names.
I usually send out an email of anything important, the one about state training will go out tonight, I also had a flyer at training Wed.
AND vica versa - a good email I get will be posted on the MUD.
Thursday, 4 August 2011 04:20 PM - Host: its-wv-bcprox4.its.rmit.edu.au
chook:- definately need you for the willy game commander Will Glenn cheers
Thursday, 4 August 2011 07:08 PM - Host: CPE-60-230-129-63.vic.bigpond.net.au
Raty:- i do,he said
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405).Monday, 1 August 2011 03:40 PM - |
TWO WINS AWAY - PICS - from Kanna - Great effort by everyone on Sunday to have both sides winning, I believe both their sides were a little undermanned, but that's to take nothing away from our guys.
We have two training sessions to go before it all comes to a close for another year, we had 20 odd players last Wednesday which shows the eagerness of some of you old blokes.
Here is the first look at our two illustrious winning teams at Bundoora
|As mentioned on Sunday you are more than welcome to train this Sunday with the squads attending the national footy carnival in October. It will only be a light run, so there wont be anything over the top. For all you Collingwood supporters Ray Shaw will be coaching the 35's. Training will be at Ross Gregory Oval Albert Park (Power House football club). For those players who are considering in going to the carnival you will need to get your rego's in soon and organise accommodation and flights.|
Hope to see you Wednesday if not this Sunday, Cheers Kanna
Map 58 A7
About the Carnival - from Will:-
|About the Carnival - from WillSee 2006 Video from Maroochydore|
Hello all, Hopefully you are all pumped enough after two wins yesterday to have a bit more of a think about what Kanna wrote and the national carnival this year in maroochydore, Sunshine Coast, Qld. I thought I would add to Kanna's email and answer a few frequent questions. In the past Brunswick has only had 3 or 4 players attend the carnivals but all of us will attest to how much fun it is and it is even better when you get a few of your own club up there. So how does it work.
|Dates: Game Days 8,12,(14th)& 15th Oct.|
Age Groups: You mostly play in your own age group (over-35, 40, 45, 50 and 55+) for Victoria Metro....there is a Vic Country team as well. Most age groups have one team but the 50's will have two.
There is likely to be a Metro/Country combined Vic side in the o-35s too, so no-one misses out.
Eligibility: All Brunswick players are eligible. You can play in a lower age group but that mainly happens with 40's playing in the 35's team.
Games: All age groups play 3 games in 6 days. Sunday, Wednesday and Friday or Saturday. In 24-28C temps this is pretty tough but surpisingly enjoyable Vic Metro usually plays in Div 1 of the age group against teams like Tassie, S.A and Qld.
Venue: Maroochydore 2011 Most carnivals these days are in the sunny north of the country. This entices people away for a holiday and also keeps the footy away from the powerhouse states like Victoria where our sides become too strong.
Enviroment: Some fella's go on their own, many with wives/girlfriends and some with the whole family. Some stay at the designated hotel and others stay at places of their own choice or even with family or friends who live in that city.
|Training: Every Wed and on our off Sunday. Really good standard training and lots of fun as the days and nights warm up. You go to as many training nights as you can manage, just keep in touch with coaches if you can't make training due to work, family, etc.|
Curtain-raiser-Games will be played during the Supers finals series for people who are going to the carnival.
Cost: Everyone has to get gear which is about $550 (don't quote me on the price). This is for jumper, shorts, socks and assorted Vic Metro gear, trainers, barbie plus registration, final night function ($120).
Accommodation: Vic Metro squad are staying in 3 adjoining 4star apartment hotels on the beach front in Maloolaba. You can pay the AFLMasters package price for accomm (from $400/head for 9nights)
or book your own.
Flights and CarRental: Vic Metro contact, or Book your own, get in early for cheaper flights if you can and don't do what Kanna has done and book Tiger...... fingers crossed for you mate.
Great comraderie, fantastic to wear the big white V and you play on excellent grounds. see Google Maps
|So it looks like about $1400-$1500 all up |
(flights/9 nights accom/Player rego/Function)
to play for your state with 9 days holiday
Have a good think about joining us. - Will
Tuesday, 2 August 2011 12:05 AM - Host: 123-243-102-148.static.tpgi.com.au
404).Wednesday, 27 July 2011 04:44 PM - |
R8 Selection July 31 - Out to Bundoora this Sunday, and it looks like we are going to have our best turn out for the season, therefore - it's photo day
We want everybody there for a photo of the Masters at about 12:30 (47s will get a shot earlier, in case it's wet on the day) So everybody - be there
tiger:- Only a maybe at this stage- been out with flu for 10 days - Tiger
Friday, 29 July 2011 01:58 PM - Host: 18.104.22.168.static.exetel.com.au
Wilba:- Ming....Nick Presti is unavailable with a shin problem. He will ring Johnny R to see if he is playing.
Tiger....hope you get up, we need you out there.
Friday, 29 July 2011 06:26 PM - Host: d110-33-174-53.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au
403).Tuesday, 26 July 2011 03:44 PM - |
Touch Footy / Bali 9s - Who's interested in a fun summer round of touch footy /scratch match kinda training? - ming
Andy:- Hi Ming,
I'll be up for touch footy.
This is the competition Liv and I played in over the summer, they are starting up a spring season in October. The list of rules are on their website if you want to have a look (may help you with your comp).
Catch you tonight.
Wednesday, 27 July 2011 03:09 PM - IP: 22.214.171.124
ADAM:- Yup Ming, great idea, Waz and I will be lurking the flanks in any touch football comp you throw up.
Monday, 1 August 2011 09:30 AM - Host: 203-158-33-172.dyn.iinet.net.au
402).Sunday, 24 July 2011 02:12 AM - |
R8 Sunday 31st July - Away again to NORTHERN
at Bundoora Football Ground, Yulong Park, Plenty Rd Bundoora (opp Shopping Centre)
Over-47s 11am start vs DIAMOND VALLEY 2
and Masters 12:45 start vs NORTHERN DISTRICT
401).Wednesday, 20 July 2011 01:16 PM - |
Ratty - Hay All
great win 40's
the 47's started with 17 dolly did a knee down to 16 but the boys from werribee evened up
A new faces Chris had fun and we should see him again. merricks was back and did he look good (yes).We had allot of play but again converting to gaols was lacking. thrid quarter with merricks george and stoney across the half back was lush to behold.Jamie gotnthe 6 pack from the opposition for his great game at full back domminating the marks .
george super high fly mark BUT knee was up,it looked good though
Wednesday, 20 July 2011 01:18 PM - Host: 220-245-125-73.static.tpgi.com.au
400).Tuesday, 19 July 2011 07:51 PM - |
chook - hey commander Will Glenn if i keep hearing you on radio i think i,ll get you to sign my footy jumper
CW:- Just free coffee's and breakfasts will suffice thanks Chook )
Wednesday, 20 July 2011 05:28 PM - Host: d110-33-161-245.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au
399).Monday, 18 July 2011 03:04 PM - |
chook - loving the match reports adam and will very entertaining guys well done.Also loving the atmosphere around the club amd playing with a great bunch of blokes.Lets keep it up.
ADAM:- Thanks Chook. With this ankle, it's all I've got these days. As much as we preach the fun message there's no question the joint would collapse without wins. Couldn't have been too much joy last year. Only watching is worse than losing, so I'm hitting the rehab hard this week and hopefully I can sneak on as a sub next game.
Monday, 18 July 2011 04:56 PM - Host: 124-148-164-75.dyn.iinet.net.au
398).Monday, 18 July 2011 12:18 PM - |
OFFICIAL MATCH REPORT...POST WILL'S. - Such is the wonder of Superules football, that two weeks is enough time to virtually reinvent a side. At 12:15pm Will declared to the group he was ‘feeling good.’ It’s impossible to measure how much this declaration had to do with the appearance of the lovely Physio Charlotte…but clearly the black dog that had hounded Glenn was on the retreat.
What had looked like a 16 player debacle had suddenly transformed into a 22 man powerhouse. The Stu football factory had unearthed a 6foot seven giant by name of Stefan. Naz Sankiri, a Mudlarks journeyman of immense talent was beared up and bristling for his first game of the year.
Completing the reformation, John Thiris. The Placido Domingo of the Brunswick beatnik scene swept into the rooms in a tailored Charlie Godwin fitted suit, fresh from male Escort duties, gastro and a 24 hour flight.
Kicking against a 3-4 goal breeze we spent the majority of the first qtr travelling to goal via Ascot Vale road.
On the flipside, we dominated possession. Chook was creative with handball, Liv provided the run, and The Naz hype was well founded.
In the second quarter we again monopolized possession, and again we fell down up forward.
There were however glimpses of what was to come. Mingot and Vrettis continued their rebound, Stan, switching himself from wing to half forward, was finding plenty of space. Frendo was Frendo, and Will was feeding the midfielders with some delightful Sandilands signature dishes.
At three quarter time, scores were locked. The wind had died down and so had our turnovers. In the last quarter, Frendo basically went beserk. On the wing, Tiger did what he had done all day. It was like watching Dougie Hawkins dancing feet at the Western Oval. At one point, through the finishing of Stan Apitosis we had crept out to a 20 point lead.
Then came the Ascot Vale drop kicks that threatened to drive a knife through the Mudlarks hearts. Within minutes only a goal separated the sides. What many on the ground wouldn’t have realized was that we had also lost Thiris mild concussion. With the marketing director suffering a mild panic attack, the broken down coach made a bold move. Greg Walker on, Thiris off. Walker side stepped and goaled from 30. Game over.
BRUNS: 8.4.52 def ASCOT VALE 126.96.36.199
BEST: Frendo, Sakiri, Vrottis, Apottis, Tiger, Kanna, Mingot, Pawsey, Thirss, Presti.
GOALS: Stan 3, Walker, 1, Frendo 1 (Need some help with the rest here gents…)
CW:- I did make a few special comments in my wrap up but let me add another one after reading this journalistic masterpiece. I mentioned before the game that Greg Walker (aka Marlon) took over my games played record at Hadfield. He played most of his near thousand games entrenched in the back pocket....a very reliable one at that....So I had a lot of pleasure in sending him on late in the last qtr with a simple direction...go and kick us a goal...He wasn't sure which end the forward line was but when he got there, hey presto, a lovely sidestep and the goal umpire was giving him the two finger salute )
Tuesday, 19 July 2011 06:00 PM - Host: d110-33-170-238.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au
397).Monday, 18 July 2011 10:47 AM - |
Wilba - GREAT WIN. Well it was a strange week. As you can see from the player list below we seemed to be struggling all week to make up an 18 for the game against Ascot Vale but good fortune smiled on us and we ended up with 22 players for the game.
Big Stefan.... Stu brought Stefan along and at 6'7" he was handy for us, Greg Walker is a an old Hadfield buddy of mine and also in fire brigade. He hadn't played for a number of years but still has it,
Mohesh....sorry if I have the name wrong but he turned up with Johnny T and once again hadn't played for many years...great to have him along as well.
As well as these 3, we also had returns to the team from past years of our gun full back Naz and Johnny Rabar. It makes such a difference to have that flexibility, so thanks to all the new boys.
The game itself was close all day, free flowing, no forward presses or zones were on show at all
With Naz taking on FB, MIck C returning to cover CHB, big Dean looking after CHF and the ruck and a few bigger guys moving through full forward....Stefan, Presti, myself it allowed us to get players like Tiger back to the wing, Stan running aorund the forward line (even when he was on the wing) and others released. We just inched ahead after half time and closed strongly in the last qtr to take a 4 goal lead.
New players to Superules/Masterules got a footy education though from Ascot Vale when they kicked two "Super" goals in the dying parts of the game to bring the lead back to just 6 points......you get 9 points for a Supergoal.....I enjoyed Nick's comments after the game when he told us he couldn't understand why the joker from Ascot Vale was kicking drop kicks...haha. I have to admit the first drop kick he did was an excellent kick and goal from a reasonably tough angle and distance. Great effort fellas and most importantly a good all round team game.
Not sure how Ben P, Wazza, Adam, Deano and Matty J will go trying to break back into this side
Wilba:- Special mentions to Nick Presti and Johnny T....Nick was doubtful for the game with a house sale happening but he did some soft shoe shuffling and was able to get away to help us out and Johnny T who disappeared after the Plenty game, jumped off his plane (after 3 days of gastro as well) and came straight to the game. Fair reason for his cramping episodes in the last 2 quarters. The effort to get to the game was much appreciated.
Monday, 18 July 2011 10:50 AM - Host: d110-33-170-238.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au
Will:- Moved into 4th position on percentage.
Monday, 18 July 2011 10:54 AM - Host: d110-33-170-238.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au
396).Thursday, 14 July 2011 11:00 AM - |
R7 Selection - Ming is back after missing a game and in the last 4 weeks and I have no idea of who's available, injured, been playing, or what. I do know that in the dark cold of July numbers always get thin. We need everyone we can get on the fields in another difficult fixtured split away game. (see venues below)
Ming:- Thanks for so many replies, hopefully the maybes get there and we field 18 in each team
Saturday, 16 July 2011 05:02 PM - Host: 123-243-102-148.static.tpgi.com.au
395).Saturday, 9 July 2011 11:31 AM - |
Round 7 Sun Jul17 - Over47s - away to WERRIBEE, Masters - away to ASCOT VALE
Over47s - away to WERRIBEE
11am Start - be there by 10:20
Masters - away to ASCOT VALE
12:45pm Start - be there by 12
Wilba:- 99% sure here boys that Ming originally put the game times the wrong way around. Masters play Ascot Vale and we start at 12.30, be at the ground by 11.45am.
As Ming is still out of the country till tomorrow, I rang Ascot Vale and they are playing at 12.30 as well. Happy for you to still get there at 10.20 but it may be a longish wait )
Wednesday, 13 July 2011 08:41 PM - Host: d110-33-185-69.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au
Ming:- That's right Will. I have corrected the times - correct now in red.
Masters starts at 12:30 at Ascot Vale.
Over47s starts at 11am at Werribee
Thursday, 14 July 2011 09:03 AM - Host: 123-243-102-148.static.tpgi.com.au
394).Friday, 8 July 2011 04:11 AM - |
Training on the Off Sundays - Maroochydore Carnival 8-15 Oct - From Aug 7th the Vic Metro squads will be training at 10am on off-Sundays (likely venue Albert Park) for 90mins or so
Kanna is coach of the Vic Metro over50s A (two teams in that age group)
See below for requests for over40s players
From Darren Fletcher - Vic Metro Over40s Coach
Gday Boys, it’s that time of the year again, Carnival Time.
I’ve been appointed the coach for the over 40’s this year and would really like to see you all there this Year.
Training will be starting on Sunday August 7th , Venue will be announced soon. I will keep you all informed whenever I get any info;
In the meantime let me know if you are interested in playing this year and or if you can get any other players interested.
If you want to ask me any questions please don’t hesitate to give me a call 0418 330440.
Regards Darren Fletcher "GO VICS"
Ol55s coach Ian Crocker:- Hi everyone, Just a short note to advise you that I have been appointed the coach for the 2011 Carnival and I am looking forward to playing with you all in the Over 55's.
Ray Shaw has accepted the Over 35's job and i can't wait to work with him and the other coaching staff to prepare us all for the challenge and enjoyment of the National Carnival.
Training is set to start on August 7th at this stage which gives us about 9 training sessions before we head of the sunny state of Queensland. If you haven't already downloaded a registration form from the Vic Metro website please do so asap - we are on a tight schedule for the fitting out of players for jumpers, shorts etc. Remember if you leave it to the last minute you are less likely to get the jumper number you want and clothing sizes may be limited.
If you have any mates at your club who haven't experienced a carnival encourage them to be a part of it - if I can help in this regard please let me know.
I will provide more specific details regarding training and other matters in the coming weeks.
Good luck to all in the remaining matches of the home and away season and I hope the injuries are minor and the enjoyment major.
Cheers Crocks (Crocks plays for Williamstown, who we meet in R9, he also played a quarter for us at Footscray, R9 last year)
Tuesday, 12 July 2011 01:33 AM - Host: 86.sub-75-192-223.myvzw.com
393).Wednesday, 6 July 2011 04:50 PM - |
ADAM - Waz mentioned a bloke who played against Mordi, Evan I think.
Very handy up forward. Waz can you elaborate please...
My ankle...Im slightly hesistant to visit a chinese massage place called Dong, then again could be a happy ending for my ankle! I actually know exactly where you mean, so I'll give it a go.
Physio reckons I'm 30/70. Have spent every day walking in pool over the last week and he was rapt how much better it was.
You gotta have hope in this rehab game so I'll aim for ASscot Vale.
I think we need to get Thirss locked away at least a week out.
Waz:- Evan - was the guy I mentioned, cameo against Mordi and he looked a good player, maybe 6ft2 left footer. Ruckman Dean is pretty much our Tom Scully, everything needs to be done to sign him. With him in the team we can rotate Wil and Mick who played an excellent game against Greensborough. Just gives us more depth and options forward, but clearly the spiritual leader Thiriss needs
Thursday, 7 July 2011 11:49 AM - Host: its-wv-bcprox1.its.rmit.edu.au
392).Tuesday, 5 July 2011 08:56 PM - |
chook - Hey bondie don,t be too hard on yourself mate,your not alone,you go ok keep punching cheers
391).Tuesday, 5 July 2011 01:18 PM - |
Ming misses the footy - Sounds like it wasn't too much fun, guys.
Should have a more even contest next week at Ascot Vale (and Werribee47s).
Ming is in Washington, it's 27-33 degrees and my knees don't hurt, and I haven't been tackled to the ground for two and a half weeks, everything securitied off here for 4thJuly and I wanna hop a fence to see how long it takes for someone to deck me. Gee they have a lot of red cordial here.
Apologies not keeping in touch but no wireless in Yellowstone, in NewYork #1 daughter burnt month bandwidth in first night. Good lady got disposable mobiles, no need to activate global roaming, but blocked for overseas calls. 110 Volts doesn't quite charge my mobile.
Great place this but I've never seen so many wallopers. Foreign credit card - oh, ho ho! jolly jest!
Just missing the footy.
Wilba:- We did learn a good lesson Ming....don't let Ming go anywhere lesson...haha. Actually a good team effort was on hand, Doli bought the slabs, Naj found stuff that we needed, Adam did the team managing and we seemed to manage collecting all the dues....not too bad. I saved us losing Gary Conway as he arrived at 10am and thought he was at the wrong ground )
We did have some mishaps though with no ground report (was that on your list) which meant none of us thought of the defib....Doc wasn't happy when he arrived at half time....otherwise we were on top of most stuff. Even tempted to do the electronic scoreboard but glad we didn't now with the results we had. Hurry back.
Tuesday, 5 July 2011 07:23 PM - Host: d110-33-187-137.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au
390).Monday, 4 July 2011 11:25 PM - |
Bondie - Well what did you expect, Moron? PART ONE
This is, more or less, the question my better half posed to me last night after I spent approximately 7 hours debriefing her on the game. With great shame I described another lacklustre performance by me, personally. With great pain I described another 17 or 18 minor injuries to add to my 2011 list.
It’s a fair question. What DID I expect coming back to the game after 20 years or more?
I played lots of junior footy and a handful of games as an adult before beer drinking, band watching and pool playing compromised my availability. I played some social footy for pub teams and mates, generally lining up as a smaller-than-ideal full-forward and having a ball playing against people who had clearly smoked more pot than me before the game. When the idea of Mud-larking came up this year it was these memories that flooded back… junior trophies, contested marks, penetrating kicks, bags of goals.
Foolish, foolish man.
I was never great. I was only ever fast over the first 15. I didn’t often sell a dummy or turn blindly. It was never wise to leave me to defend a decent forward. But I could create space, I could mark and I could kick long and straight. What happened to these skills? Who has taken them and WHERE HAVE THEY PUT THEM?
I was salivating at the chance to play a leading forward role on Sunday. This is it, I figured… time for a little old-school Bondie. Time to have a real influence on the outcome. I have two goals from four games, I thought… maybe in a couple of hours it will be five from five. Or better.
Foolish, foolish man.
Muddy Mudlark:- A little secret Kanna et al might not have told you, a lot of the Diamond Valley blokes have played in the old Diamond Valley FL (no mean level) and a few as captian of their team.
Tuesday, 5 July 2011 12:44 PM - Host: 31.sub-75-197-163.myvzw.com
Stuey:- Bondie, good to see you're keeping your chin up (at least you'll avoid grazing your head that way).
Tuesday, 5 July 2011 01:33 PM - IP: 172.30.117.86
Will:- Bondie....bit of bad luck there mate...at least you get to see what it is like to play on the gorillas...haha. When you consider we had most of our talls and heavyweights out last weekend, myself, Adam, Johnny T, Alistair, Presti, even Ula and Deano....it makes a big difference and means some of our whippets had to move into key positions. Hopefully we can get all of the above back for the next game and release you to a flank or wing. We will have to put out an all points bulletin for Alistair and Johnny T.
Tuesday, 5 July 2011 07:27 PM - Host: d110-33-187-137.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au
Wilba:- We do lose Ben P for the next game but hopefully also get back Mick and Sammy....need to chase Bourkey (Naj's mate), keep Dean around and see how we go with Ben C and Kev's brother Scott.
Tuesday, 5 July 2011 07:40 PM - Host: d110-33-187-137.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au
Waz:- Im unfortunately also unavailable for the next game, I'll be in Singapore for work. Bondie - I was very hopeful on that shot for goal, particularly given I'd been very impressed with your long straight kicking when we'd done goal kicking before training I was very impressed with your very straight goal kicking. A bit of luck and it will all turn around, but do embrace ice, cold showers etc
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